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Transgender Law Opponents Look To Referendum

Opponents have 45 days to collect the valid signatures of nearly 29,000 registered county voters.

The clock could start running as early as today or tomorrow on an effort to petition to referendum the transgender anti-discrimination bill passed Tuesday by the Baltimore County Council.

Ann Miller, a Phoenix Republican who opposed the bill, told Patch after the vote that she and other opponents would attempt to place the issue on the 2012 ballot.

"We're focusing on the next phase—petitioning this bill to referendum," said Miller.

If successful, it could be the first time in county history that a county law has been successfully petitioned to the ballot, according to some long-time council observers.

The hurdle for getting the law on the ballot is high.

Opponents will have 45 days from the day the county executive signs the bill to collect the signatures of registered county voters equivalent to 10 percent of the total number of votes cast for governor in the county in the last gubernatorial election—about 28,826 signatures.

Petitioners can buy some extra time if they can collect 9,513 valid signatures in 30 days. The Board of Elections usually recommends that petitioners collect twice the required signatures in order to overcome typical rejection rates.

The balance of the signatures would be due in another 30 days.

Don Mohler, chief of staff and a spokesman for Kevin Kamenetz, said he expects the county executive to sign the bill as soon as the council delivers it to him—perhaps as early as today or Thursday.

Mohler said it "depends on when council staff gets bills down (it's) usually timely."

RARE MARYLAND INDEPENDENT February 28, 2012 at 04:51 am
I'll take my chances.
Zoobie February 28, 2012 at 06:05 am
Equal protection under the law is already provided by a document known as The Constitution Of The United States. Outlining each little splinter group for "Special Protection" is not necessary. Want to buy a house?, go out and work for it. Want insurance benefits?, Buy a Policy. We all have wants, and we know how to get them,
EARN THEM!!! Want to go out and dress as a man/ woman?, go ahead. Tolerance is earned, not mandated by Government. Act right, and you'll be treated right. Now, if that's bigoted, well that's tough. Live with it!!!
M. Sullivan February 28, 2012 at 01:47 pm
Irvin, I don't hate anyone. However, any time someone expresses an opinion that goes against the liberal cause of the week, or makes an observation that everyone knows, but is afraid to say, they are immediately hit with the word bombs of "hatemonger", "bigot", "racist", etc. These are quick and simple reactions from those who are, apparently, incapable of an intelligent discussion and want to try to silence the opposition to the "political correctness" of the day. This practice has been used throughout history to advance the cause of oppressive regimes.
Being that I haven't seen much in the way of substantive commentary in any of your history, I can only assume that you are incapable of anything else but word bombs and insults. Therefore, I view your responses as simple rantings. By the way, congratulations on your productive service. I didn't know there were any WW1 veterans still alive.
ZIG February 28, 2012 at 03:27 pm
Mr Sullivan, I congratulate you. Your writings of the last few weeks have caused me to comment. I should have known better. I will not change and neither will you Further comments on my part will be counter productive. I am a loyal American and a veteran Good bye
M. Sullivan February 28, 2012 at 03:53 pm
Have a good day, Mr. Zeigenfuse. From what I see of your history, we may agree on one thing; I believe Ronald Reagan was the greatest president in modern history and we could certainly use more like him.
Buzz Beeler February 28, 2012 at 04:04 pm
Mr. Zeigenfust, I would have to agree with Mr. Sullivan. Irrespective of ones stance the tone of the comments are the issue. You can choose to disagree, but after reviewing your background I was disappointed in your choice of words coming from a former educated Marine. Intolerance does not allow for discourse or debate.
You can choose to take an opposing view with anyone but as I have always believed, do with articulation not degradation. I stay out of the discussions on these matters, because I realize you cannot change ones beliefs on these issues. It's hard to override humane nature.
Don Twine February 28, 2012 at 04:58 pm
Mr. Zubalik - It would be nice to think that things in this country are that simple, but they aren't. History has shown us the the Constitution is not this perfect thing that makes everything work. Just ask women or blacks. That's why we have AMENDMENTS. I'm sure that if you were elderly and were discriminated when applying for a job, you would want legislation that protects you from that particular "splintered group" of older people. I'll never understand why people like you call it "special" protection or "special" rights. It's not special if a group wants the same rights as you. It's EQUAL rights.
As for your comments about getting a job and insurance, I think you're missing the boat totally here. That's what transgendered people are trying to do! They're being discriminated against. And if you think a transgendered person is just a cross dresser, then you've missed the harbor along with the boat! Do some googling and read up on the subject before you give an opinion. The government wouldn't need to mandate tolerance if people had the compassion to have it naturally.
Don Twine February 28, 2012 at 05:27 pm
M. Sullivan, I'm sorry for throwing the "bigot" word at you, but in this case I think you put a target on your back when you equated the transgender issue with a simple dress code, coupled with using the word "weird" over and over. I know you said you were trying to prove a point, but I think it backfired. It just made you look uninformed on the issue and a bit cold. And bigots tend to be uninformed and/or fearful of the group they are bigoted against. But yes, it is a strong word to use on someone.
However, I am starting to tire over this new defensive stance that socially conservative people, mainly those with anti-gay or anti-transgendered attitudes, are using. The stance that makes them the victims simply because we're finally standing up for our equal rights (NOT "special" rights) and more and more people are coming around to understanding the issues and speaking up with us. I guess it's a last ditch effort, as they see the tides turning, and social evolution continuing to happen. Those people, including many religious organizations, need to adapt to how the world changes. And some won't, and I get that. But those attitudes will fizzle out eventually as older generations die out and new generations are born and grow up. History shows that this has always happened. At least I can take comfort in that after I read some of the comments here.
Zoobie February 28, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Thats the trouble with homosexuals and 'transgenders'. They want their deviance to become acceptable. Same as the "Hippy Generation" of the sixties and seventies, 'I'm OK, you're OK'. Thing is, people with these dissorders make a conscious decision to act out their conditions, and we' are expected to accept and condone it.They have their little groups travelling from state to state to implore "Tollerence" from legislators to get these ridiculous laws passed which violate all the norms of society. Well, you're not normal, and people of good will will rise up and take the fight to THE BALOT. Case Closed.!!!
Buck Harmon February 28, 2012 at 11:23 pm
The creation of pointless laws that have never been proven to be needed is wrong.
Laws that will never be able to be equally~fairly enforced are a big part of current problems within our court system. The sloppy way by which this proposal was fashioned is a clear example of why there are so many bad laws on the books. Quirk and Almond have done a huge dis-service to the public at large by wasting a lot of time with no possible outcome that will help anyone... transgender human beings will find that this law will never be enforced.....the end result will be similar to the end result of peeing into the wind...
Buck Harmon February 28, 2012 at 11:27 pm
This incident has nothing what so ever to do with the bad law that has been pushed here.
If this law were in full force at the time of the beating....the beating would still have taken place.... the attackers were caught and dealt with by the current system proving that the need for this law is not there.
Buck Harmon February 28, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Why would a transgender, or anyone for that matter be entitled to receive extra protection under the law that is supposed to treat everyone equally? Quirk has never justified , or answered this question to date. Not with facts or figures.
Buck Harmon February 28, 2012 at 11:39 pm
The reason that I comment on this issue has nothing to do with transgender human beings, but rather elected official public servants wasting time creating bad law that no one will ever benefit from...not even those that it's intended to help.
Buck Harmon February 28, 2012 at 11:47 pm
I believe that the real issue here has to do with current laws not being enforced properly.
Adding another layer to laws that are already, perhaps, not being enforced properly will only add insult to injury, and will not achieve the purpose intended. I would suggest that anyone who thinks that this poorly written law will help the situation...read it...and then come back with some answers...or questions..
Don Twine February 28, 2012 at 11:47 pm
...And there you go, M. Sullivan.... John Zubalik...much better example of a bigot!
Buck Harmon February 28, 2012 at 11:48 pm
This IS a VERY WEIRD law.... read it...then comment on it.
Don Twine February 28, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Um, Buck, maybe it's because current law wasn't working well enough. Maybe have a conversation with some of the people who have been experiencing the discrimination and that may give you a better perspective. It's easy to sit back in your own comfy environment, and think that everything outside of your bubble is sunshine and lollypops and doesn't need fixing.
Buck Harmon February 28, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I would like Quirk or Almond to answer these questions:
At what point is a human being considered to be transgender by law? When they start feeling like they might be the opposite sex? When they begin to dress like the opposite sex? When they start to take pills to force the transition to the opposite sex? Or after all of the above has been accomplished and they have had the sex change surgery? The identification of a transgender by law is a huge, yet un answered question that should have been addressed and identified accurately before any law such as this were even considered. Vague interpretation is the springboard of bad, court clogging law.
Buck Harmon February 29, 2012 at 12:02 am
How many cases brought by transgenders with regard to the feeling of being discriminated against have been lost in Baltimore Co. .... or the entire state for that matter.
I would say that far more senior citizens have missed out on employment opportunities because of age than transgenders have because of claiming to be transgender.
Don Twine February 29, 2012 at 12:05 am
Oh Jeeez, poor John, I don't even know where to begin, and frankly won't waste as many keystrokes on this response. I'll just say how sad it is that people like you are so uneducated and so ill informed about gay and transgendered people. It's so sad that people like you are the reason that gay people commit suicide and are beaten and killed by those who think like you. We can only hope that the new generation CONTINUES to outnumber people like you.
Buck Harmon February 29, 2012 at 12:07 am
I have been trying to get answers to these questions since the law was first proposed.
Why would Quirk and Almond choose not to provide answers? Even those that post in favor can't give a logical response based on facts.
Don Twine February 29, 2012 at 12:11 am
Buck, I get your concerns, but how do you think the extra layer of law would hurt? Is there really such a thing as too much protection law?
Buck Harmon February 29, 2012 at 12:18 am
Don Twine, The questions that I pose here are legitimate, and to date without answers.
Why? perhaps if you could respond with some facts and not the normal illusion gab, the differences, or divide here could be narrowed into something positive that would work for all. Please have a shot at a few answers instead of pointless comments that only broaden the difference. You may find it refreshing...
Buck Harmon February 29, 2012 at 12:20 am
What is the LEGAL definition of a gay human being?
Buck Harmon February 29, 2012 at 12:29 am
Don, I am not opposed to this law because it is designed to offer additional protection to transgender human beings. I am opposed to the creation of ANY new law that is severely flawed from it's inception.
Transgenders will be sorely disappointed when they attempt to use these protections, and they don't, can't work because of the hap hazard way that they were thrown together. If answers could be provided to my concerns, rather than the divide statements, I might better understand the perceived outcome better. Doesn't really matter what I think though, I'm just a guy with simple questions.
Buck Harmon February 29, 2012 at 12:31 am
I would suggest that you read the proposal Don.
Don Twine February 29, 2012 at 01:32 am
Buck, I did read the bill. I'm no legal expert, but from what I read, everything looked up to par. As for the questions you posed above, I don't think it needs to be that specific. If a person identifies themselves as transgendered, or even gay for that matter, that should be it. I identify myself as gay, and that should be all I need to do. What am I supposed to do? Prove it? I don't think the person interviewing me for a job would want me to do that! (that was intended to be a joke, Buck, just to be clear) Or have an additional section on my driver's license saying I'm certified gay in Maryland? All joking aside, the questions you pose probably can never be officially answered because they may varie from individual to individual. I think the important defining thing is self identification. Unlike other minorities who mainly have physical traits that make them different (age, race, gender), LGBT is more about the internal identification. I know that can make people nervous about legal loopholes, like you are, but for now, that may be the best thing that we can go by. I say we just give this a wait and see attitude, and see how it goes. I honestly don't think it will bring more harm than good, in my opinion. Laws can be amended down the road if need be.
M. Sullivan February 29, 2012 at 01:23 pm
Don,
Using your interpretation, I could decide that it would be fun to hang out in woman's locker rooms and, if confronted, simply declare myself to be transgendered.
M. Sullivan February 29, 2012 at 01:24 pm
Excellent points, Buck. This alone should tie up the courts for quite some time.
Buck Harmon February 29, 2012 at 01:54 pm
You are correct M. Sullivan.... many problematic flaws will surface...

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